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Episode 123 – Dreams of Richter

Do your dreams mean anything? Is it possible our dreams portend future events? If you’re interested in this topic and you’re listening to this episode, don’t worry, Bobby and Jordan eventually discuss these ideas … along with a variety of other ideas explored in this episode.

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BIG Correction: A 7.4 is only 1.258 greater in magnitude than a 7.3 earthquake… NOT 2x as Jordan had erroneously estimated on the fly. It would however be 1.412 times stronger in energy released. A 7.6 magnitude earthquake would be 2x bigger in magnitude than a 7.3 earthquake. See this link for earthquake comparisons:

Referenced in the Podcast

Joseph Smith’s Dream about his Farm

Joseph related the following dream which he had last night: I was back in Kirtland, Ohio, and thought I would take a walk out by myself, and view my old farm, which I found grown up with weeds and brambles, and altogether bearing evidence of neglect and want of culture. I went into the barn, which I found without floor or doors, with the weather-boarding off, and was altogether in keeping with the farm.

“While I viewed the desolation around me, and was contemplating how it might be recovered from the curse upon it, there came rushing into the barn a company of furious men, who commenced to pick a quarrel with me.

“The leader of the party ordered me to leave the barn and farm, stating it was none of mine, and that I must give up all hope of ever possessing it.

“I told him the farm was given me by the Church, and although I had not had any use of it for some time back, still I had not sold it, and according to righteous principles it belonged to me or the Church.

“He then grew furious and began to rail upon me, and threaten me, and said it never did belong to me nor to the Church.

“I then told him that I did not think it worth contending about, that I had no desire to live upon it in its present state, and if he thought he had a better right I would not quarrel with him about it but leave; but my assurance that I would not trouble him at present did not seem to satisfy him, as he seemed determined to quarrel with me, and threatened me with the destruction of my body.

“While he was thus engaged, pouring out his bitter words upon me, a rabble rushed in and nearly filled the barn, drew out their knives, and began to quarrel among themselves for the premises, and for a moment forgot me, at which time I took the opportunity to walk out of the barn about up to my ankles in mud.

“When I was a little distance from the barn, I heard them screeching and screaming in a very distressed manner, as it appeared they had engaged in a general fight with their knives. While they were thus engaged, the dream or vision ended.”

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith Section Six 1843-44, p.393


  1. I play the radio
    I play the radio April 18, 2023

    “We’d be more likely to buy the right stocks than to do what the Lord wants”
    “I went seventeen years without paying for internet…one hour at a time”

  2. Whitaker
    Whitaker April 18, 2023

    Fun fact (based on a presentation I attended given by the church engineer): the faults in Utah have the capacity to make an earthquake just as strong as faults in California. But it’s not likely they ever will. Can we trust that analysis? With God, anything is possible. Even knocking a trumpet out of a statue’s hand due to ground shaking.

    The building code doesn’t ensure that your building will be ready to continue operation after the level of earthquake that you design for happens. It’s aim is public safety. They shoot for a small percentage of collapse (I forgot, 1% or 5%) after a design level earthquake. If it’s a hospital or a building that has hazardous materials, the design load factor is 50% more than your typical building because those need to be operational after the shaking stops. It’s all about determining what’s likely to happen statistically. It would be super expensive to demand every building be designed for the biggest earthquake possible, especially for commercial buildings. But you have the freedom to design your building for higher loads than the low bar set by the building code. If I remember correctly from that presentation, the LDS church is having the temple renovations designed for the highest likely earthquake. If the trumpet being knocked out of the hand was a warning and not just a cute coincidence then can’t God be like, “Challenge accepted!”

    For a typical house it wouldn’t cost much more $ to design for a much larger earthquake demand. But contractors pinch every penny. For example, my family room floor is really bouncy. If they would have just added 1 or 2 more joists then I’d have a much more firm floor. I’d be willing to spend $100 more dollars for a firm floor.

    But just because your building is designed for the highest load doesn’t mean it will be able to resist it. And even if you’re designed for a lower load you might luck out and have much more capacity. Lots of things aren’t engineered to the edge of the code required loads. There’s always room for jello and there’s probably room for a little more resistance. Then again, there’s probably not. I saw a presentation on that Florida tower that came down. It all started with the outdoor pool deck slab over the parking garage coming down. That progressed over to the building and something happened to bring the whole thing down. The slab was too thin to even handle the dead loads yet it still hung on for a long time. There’s a detailed presentation on it by the Miami Herald I believe that explains it. The engineer professor who did the analysis for the article presented her findings to Utah engineers in February. Fascinating but sad. For a more detailed analysis on what went wrong, NIST is on the case . Have I been rambling enough? Has anyone made it this far? I actually wrote this and didn’t have an AI write it for me.

    • Jordan
      Jordan April 18, 2023

      I love that an AI did not write Whitaker’s comment. Except how can we trust that if it were an AI it wouldn’t just say it wasn’t?

      Seriously though… thanks for the info.

    • TBM
      TBM April 19, 2023

      If God wants to knock down the SLC temple, nothing can stop Him. If He wants to preserve it, nothing can knock it down.

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