Episode 27 – 911 to Zion – Mind Virus Podcast

Once again, missing Bobby, Jordan has been left to his own devices. In this episode he enlists the help of two friends, Al and Whitaker. After hashing, rehashing and re-rehashing the problems with explanations for the collapse of the three skyscrapers on 9/11, they turn to one of our favorite and most important topics. What makes a good society?

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
William Ernest Henley

Referenced in this Podcast

I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves.
Joseph Smith

Whitaker July 1, 2021

Okay, get comfortable. Here is my response. I enjoy discussing these things since they have just been sitting around in my head for years.

“I believe that many will say this disproves the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7.”
I do not believe this disproves the controlled demolition theory. However, it is a data point to consider. The narrative for controlled demolition includes the argument that because the building falls into its own footprint, it is proof that it is a controlled demolition. I find it very wise to be picky about what is considered proof. One statement that destroys the arguments in most propaganda and state or corporate sponsored “science” is, “Correlation does not prove causation.” If it looks like a controlled demolition because it falls down nicely, does that actually prove it is a controlled demolition? With this building we have an example of a building that may not have been a controlled demolition. At first, I thought this building falling down fit nicely into the debate for large infrastructure funding. But I haven’t seen anyone capitalizing on it since it happened, so I have kind of veered away from being as suspicious.

“#1 I’ve seen video footage that clearly shows the floors pancaked on top of one another. With WTC 1, 2 and 7 the entire structure was disintegrated prior to hitting the ground. Thus the pyroclastic dust clouds that filled the city. There were inches of dust for blocks around the WTC. That was all the concrete that was disintegrated.”
Yes, lots of concrete disintegrated. There were large forces in play. The floors were thin lightweight concrete on a steel metal deck. It’s not surprising that the concrete would disintegrate. The arguments I have heard were that the controlled demolition cut the steel columns to achieve free fall speed, not the concrete slabs. (As a side note, this argument is flawed because most of the columns were exposed on the exterior of the building and no video showed demolition of those columns. To go along with the column demolition theory, you’re cutting out less than half of the vertical force resisting system if you’re not taking out those columns as well. And I assume no one is claiming the columns on the exterior of the building were demolished. Installing those explosives would have been a very visible operation). I see how the argument can be made that explosives pushed the debris outward. What I don’t see is proof. Nothing looks out of place with the cloud that formed around the collapsing structure.

“Nothing was left intact in the rubble. No office furnishings. No nothing.”
I can’t imagine office furniture escaping intact from a building collapse. I wasn’t on the site, so all I have to rely on are pictures I can search for on the internet. Here are a couple examples:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/rescue-workers-search-through-the-wreckage-of-the-world-trade-center-picture-id51984789?s=594×594
https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Overview-WTC2-.jpg
I see lots of debris, but I don’t see everything being disintegrated. Here’s a picture of the debris from the Miami collapse. It also looks like lots of destroyed debris: https://marketresearchtelecast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Collapse-in-Miami-a-new-hypothesis-points-to-the-buildings.jpg

“#2 Was this a steel framed high-rise? I’m guessing rebar reinforced concrete? You’re the engineer. Let us know how it was built.”
From what I have seen, this was a reinforced concrete structure.

“#3 Initial reports indicated that it was caused by a sink hole. Do you know if that is a possibility?”
That’s possible, but I haven’t heard more about it since I heard those initial rumors. I am seeing talk of the pool failure starting the collapse. I know some people think it’s cool to have a pool in or on a building, but I don’t like it. The loads are intense. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if that is where the failure started.

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3 Comments

Whitaker June 27, 2021

What do you think about this Jordan? Controlled demolition?
https://www.cbs46.com/news/new-video-surveillance-video-shows-the-moment-when-a-surfside-condo-collapses/article_ee3bc044-1963-5d18-880b-0da6025eeb26.html?block_id=1056862

I haven’t seen a reasonable explanation for why this collapsed. Very disturbing. This article on zero hedge mentions an investigation that pointed out spalls and cracks, but I’m not seeing anything in it indicating the cause of such a huge failure. It’ll be interesting to see what turns up in investigation.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/engineer-firm-warned-major-structural-damage-miami-condo-tower-collapsed

- Jordan June 27, 2021
  
  I did see that. And I believe that many will say this disproves the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7. #1 I’ve seen video footage that clearly shows the floors pancaked on top of one another. With WTC 1, 2 and 7 the entire structure was disintegrated prior to hitting the ground. Thus the pyroclastic dust clouds that filled the city. There were inches of dust for blocks around the WTC. That was all the concrete that was disintegrated. Nothing was left intact in the rubble. No office furnishings. No nothing. #2 Was this a steel framed high-rise? I’m guessing rebar reinforced concrete? You’re the engineer. Let us know how it was built. #3 Initial reports indicated that it was caused by a sink hole. Do you know if that is a possibility? #4 I’m wondering who inhabited the building. Maybe some “stranger than fiction” stuff going on.
  
  - Whitaker July 1, 2021
    
    Okay, get comfortable. Here is my response. I enjoy discussing these things since they have just been sitting around in my head for years.
    
    “I believe that many will say this disproves the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7.”
    I do not believe this disproves the controlled demolition theory. However, it is a data point to consider. The narrative for controlled demolition includes the argument that because the building falls into its own footprint, it is proof that it is a controlled demolition. I find it very wise to be picky about what is considered proof. One statement that destroys the arguments in most propaganda and state or corporate sponsored “science” is, “Correlation does not prove causation.” If it looks like a controlled demolition because it falls down nicely, does that actually prove it is a controlled demolition? With this building we have an example of a building that may not have been a controlled demolition. At first, I thought this building falling down fit nicely into the debate for large infrastructure funding. But I haven’t seen anyone capitalizing on it since it happened, so I have kind of veered away from being as suspicious.
    
    “#1 I’ve seen video footage that clearly shows the floors pancaked on top of one another. With WTC 1, 2 and 7 the entire structure was disintegrated prior to hitting the ground. Thus the pyroclastic dust clouds that filled the city. There were inches of dust for blocks around the WTC. That was all the concrete that was disintegrated.”
    Yes, lots of concrete disintegrated. There were large forces in play. The floors were thin lightweight concrete on a steel metal deck. It’s not surprising that the concrete would disintegrate. The arguments I have heard were that the controlled demolition cut the steel columns to achieve free fall speed, not the concrete slabs. (As a side note, this argument is flawed because most of the columns were exposed on the exterior of the building and no video showed demolition of those columns. To go along with the column demolition theory, you’re cutting out less than half of the vertical force resisting system if you’re not taking out those columns as well. And I assume no one is claiming the columns on the exterior of the building were demolished. Installing those explosives would have been a very visible operation). I see how the argument can be made that explosives pushed the debris outward. What I don’t see is proof. Nothing looks out of place with the cloud that formed around the collapsing structure.
    
    “Nothing was left intact in the rubble. No office furnishings. No nothing.”
    I can’t imagine office furniture escaping intact from a building collapse. I wasn’t on the site, so all I have to rely on are pictures I can search for on the internet. Here are a couple examples:
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/rescue-workers-search-through-the-wreckage-of-the-world-trade-center-picture-id51984789?s=594×594
    https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Overview-WTC2-.jpg
    I see lots of debris, but I don’t see everything being disintegrated. Here’s a picture of the debris from the Miami collapse. It also looks like lots of destroyed debris: https://marketresearchtelecast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Collapse-in-Miami-a-new-hypothesis-points-to-the-buildings.jpg
    
    “#2 Was this a steel framed high-rise? I’m guessing rebar reinforced concrete? You’re the engineer. Let us know how it was built.”
    From what I have seen, this was a reinforced concrete structure.
    
    “#3 Initial reports indicated that it was caused by a sink hole. Do you know if that is a possibility?”
    That’s possible, but I haven’t heard more about it since I heard those initial rumors. I am seeing talk of the pool failure starting the collapse. I know some people think it’s cool to have a pool in or on a building, but I don’t like it. The loads are intense. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if that is where the failure started.