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Episode 78 – Dumb Questions

In today’s episode, Bobby and Jordan discuss some stuff that may or may not be interesting to the listeners. It’s really hard to say. Feel free to comment.

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Be careful about sending boys to preach the gospel to the world; if they go, let them be accompanied by some one who is able to guide them in the proper channel, lest they become puffed up, and fall under condemnation and into the snare of the devil:

“Letter to the Church, not after 18 December 1833,” p. 120, The Joseph Smith Papers, accessed June 7, 2022, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-the-church-not-after-18-december-1833/1

Also Referenced in the Podcast

Ward Teachers’ Message for June, 1945

“SUSTAINING THE GENERAL AUTHORITIES OF THE CHURCH”

When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan–it is God’s plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy. God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God.

CONDUCTED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE PRESIDING BISHOPRIC. EDITED BY LEE A. PALMER.

“FAIR’s” comments on the above

Commandments

John 14:15 – The noun “command” (ἐντολή) and the verb “to command” (ἐντέλλομαι) are found in the New Testament. The term “ἐντολή” very certainly can mean “order” or “command” in an official sense but also means “instruction” or “instructions” which when contemplating a personal relationship with Jesus Christ seems to have a great deal of weight.

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith

This principle ought (in its proper place) to be taught, for God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what He will make known unto the Twelve, and even the least Saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his neighbor, Know ye that Lord; for all shall know Him (who remain) from the least to the greatest. How is this to be done? It is to be done by this sealing power, and the other Comforter spoken of, which will be manifest by revelation.

The Two Comforters

There are two Comforters spoken of. One is the Holy Ghost, the same as given on the day of Pentecost, and that all Saints receive after faith, repentance, and baptism. This first Comforter or Holy Ghost has no other effect than pure intelligence. It is more powerful in expanding the mind, enlightening the understanding, and storing the intellect with present knowledge, of a man who is of the literal seed of Abraham, than one that is a Gentile, though it may not have half as much visible effect upon the body; for as the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the literal seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; and his whole soul and body are only exercised by the pure spirit of intelligence; while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost. In such a case, there may be more of a powerful effect upon the body, and visible to the eye, than upon an Israelite, while the Israelite at first might be far before the Gentile in pure intelligence.

The Second Comforter

The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great interest, and perhaps understood by few of this generation. After a person has faith in Christ, repents of his sins, and is baptized for the remission of his sins and receives the Holy Ghost, (by the laying on of hands), which is the first Comforter, then let him continue to humble himself before God, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and living by every word of God, and the Lord will soon say unto him, Son, thou shalt be exalted.

When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints, as is recorded in the testimony of St. John, in the 14th chapter, from the 12th to the 27th verses.

Note the 16, 17, 18, 21, 23 verses:

“16. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

“17. Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

“18. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.* *

“21. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

“23. DIf a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

Now what is this other Comforter? It is no more nor less than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself; and this is the sum and substance of the whole matter; that when any man obtains this last Comforter, he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him, or appear unto him from time to time, and even He will manifest the Father unto him, and they will take up their abode with him, and the visions of the heavens will be opened unto him, and the Lord will teach him face to face, and he may have a perfect knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of God; and this is the state and place the ancient Saints arrived at when they had such glorious visions–Isaiah, Ezekiel, John upon the Isle of Patmos, St. Paul in the three heavens, and all the Saints who held communion with the general assembly and Church of the Firstborn.

TPJS Section Three 1838-39, p.149

Other comments from Joseph Smith

Prest. J. Smith rose, read the 14th Chap. of Ezekiel— said the Lord had declar’d by the prophet that the people should each one stand for himself and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption of the Jewish church— that righteous persons could only deliver their own souls— app[l]ied it to the present state of the church of Latter-Day Saints— said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall— that they were depending on the prophet hence were darkened in their minds from neglect of themselves— envious toward the innocent, while they afflict the virtuous with their shafts of envy. … , they are also subject to an overmuch zeal which must ever prove dangerous, and cause them to be rigid in a religious capacity— should be arm’d with mercy notwithstanding the iniquity among us.

“Nauvoo Relief Society Minute Book,” p. 26, The Joseph Smith Papers, accessed June 7, 2022, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book/49

7 Comments

  1. Dr Nick Riviera
    Dr Nick Riviera June 9, 2022

    Quite the contrast to observe here… On the one hand, Mr Pearson says don’t ask God, and on the other hand, James, Joseph Smith, and others say “if any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God” with the added assurance “who giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not.” James assures you that God doesn’t upbraid you for asking a dumb question; Mr Pearson has literally upbraided you for asking.

    I’m sure glad Joseph Smith didn’t conclude “Which church should I join?” was a dumb question that he shouldn’t ask God.

  2. I play the radio
    I play the radio June 9, 2022

    “Kindergarten logic here”
    “…and by the way, we approve of everything the government is saying “

  3. I play the radio
    I play the radio June 9, 2022

    Good comments. On the idea that if there is the possibility that the church is operating with some major problems…and that we should carefully consider the fact that, should we choose to live under some “considerable cognitive dissonances,” we are “putting our lives and salvation in their hands,” (paraphrased) I would tend to agree, and say this: The condition of the church tody fits the pattern we see in Book of Mormon history, not of humility and faith, but of prosperity. We are at the top of the pride cycle…longterm prosperity (since the 50s, certainly since the 80s, when I was a good looking teenager). All of the pharisaical habits are being propounded, replicated, and performed… and have been for decades and more. If you look at the Pharisees at the time of Christ, all of their doctrines, operations, corruptions, misconceptions and mishandling of Godly things have been taken on by the current institution…and accepted by the people as “of God.” All of the warnings have been met by our own fulfillment of condemnatory scripture. Every “if” in the Book of Mormon has been fulfilled in the negative column for each prophesied scenario for the Gentile church which we are (D&C 109:60). For me, there is no question on this. Talmage has a great chapter on the Pharisees and Sadducees in Jesus the Christ. Hugh Nibley hits on it even more profoundly in various works and lectures (and church manuals which he wrote). There is no justification for contravention of the word of God as the Book of Mormon lays bare the folly of the corrupt practices that the Jews inflicted on the world…then, under the Jews, and now under the Gentile Church. See 2nd Nephi chapters 25-33. (Actually, go all the way through King Benjamin from 2Ne 25).

  4. TBM
    TBM June 10, 2022

    Best Mindvirus episode ever.

  5. A Red Vine
    A Red Vine June 20, 2022

    One of the underlying institutional problems may be found right here – maybe these religious leaders no longer consider teaching to be their primary roles. They’ seem to be more like administrators who make sure everyone follows the rules and pays their fees. But enlightened teachers are the foundation of Christianity!

    Can you imagine if a school teacher said to a classroom, “There’s no need to do your homework or write any essays or take any tests. Just do what I tell you to do and you’ll be smart.” RED FLAG.

  6. A Red Vine
    A Red Vine June 20, 2022

    …or rather, “think what I tell you to think and you’ll be smart.”

  7. A Red Vine
    A Red Vine June 20, 2022

    Wait a minute…. looks like we’re in trouble on both fronts.

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